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Ten questions I wish I had asked
before buying my first great dane.
1.Is it true that you get what you pay
for?
Yes, If you get a 500.00 dane you get
just that. Most breeders that sell dogs for under
1000.00 will not guarantee the dane from more then
two years. To me if the price of the dog is to good to
be true then it probably is. Our first dane cost 350.00
and in six years we have over 6000.00 tied up into a dog
that has a genetically deformed bladder, a failing liver
and has started having seizers. I would have rather
bought or made payments to a reputable breeder and
bought a higher priced dane that I know would look like
a dane and be guaranteed to be free of any genetic
problems then to go through the pain and heart ship of
having to put my dog down because I was cheap. But
like most people looking for that first dane, we thought we would buy local so we could see
both parents and do it the right way (or what we thought
was the right way at the time)
2.How will I know if I'm buying from a
backyard breeder or puppy mill?
The price difference will generally weed
out some of your puppy mills. Puppy mills generally
produce large numbers of puppies and have to move them
quickly so they price them to sell. Don't be afraid to
ask for references from the breeder or find out what
dane related clubs they belong to. Most backyard
breeders will not belong to a club. Contact your local
dane club for more information on a breeder. Most states
have a Great Dane Club (Great Dane Club Of Des Moines)
Iowa. Rescue groups are also a good way to find out
about a breeder. If a rescue has seen their fair share of
one persons danes come through then you know that the
breeder will not take the puppy back and will not
fulfill a contract.
3.Why should my breeder compete in
conformation (Showing in AKC events )?
The best way to weed out bad breeders is
if they don't compete in conformation (AKC Shows). I
would not recommend buying from someone that gives you
the old song and dance on why they don't show. Most
backyard breeders will not spend the money to show their
dogs not to mention their dogs would not win and they
would be out money and that's what they are solely
after. I have heard a million excuses of why someone
would not show. Example: the show people are to
political or because I had kids I don't have the time.
Well I'll tell you what, the dane show community is full
of different people, some are down to earth people and
some retired people that do this as a hobby and yes some
are even political. It's a melting pot just like our
country, people of all types and I'm one of the very few
that don't have kids. When visiting a dog show please
feel free to look around at all the kids and families
that use this time as a family outing. When you get
right down to it, the backyard breeder's dane can not
compete with the others and they won't waste their money
trying.
4.Why do breeders stud out to a male?
Shouldn't both parents be on the site?
A lot of your reputable breeders will
use an out side stud dog to better the breed. Why use
the dog you have in the backyard when a better suitable
male can be use via AI froze, Fresh chilled, or natural.
Don't get me wrong, some reputable breeders might breed
a male that they own to their bitch because that was the
best choice. Don't be afraid to ask questions about the
parents. Any reputable breeder can tell you why they
bred that particular sir to their dam.
5.What does champion pedigree mean?
Many of the backyard breeders will
advertise (Champion Pedigree). But what does this mean?
You buy a puppy, send in your puppy papers and spend the
extra couple of dollars on the AKC five generation
pedigree and then you see one or two CH. in the last
lines of the fifth generation back. This is
technically a champion pedigree but not a very good one.
If the breeder is advertising this kind of a pedigree
then they are probably not showing their dogs (see#3).
Breeders have kennel names for a reason. When you see a
dane that has that Ch. in front of their name that means
that this dog was good enough to finish and someone
spent the time and money to make sure everyone knows
that. Many of your backyard breeders will throw bigger
named kennels at you to impress you with their pedigree.
For example the breeder would say this puppy goes back
to the Stuhr pedigree or lines. Ask if they know who
Stuhr even is, if they can't tell you the people's name
behind the kennel name then they have not researched the
pedigree well enough to be breeding puppies. Most of the
times a reputable breeder can tell you the name of the
people behind a kennel name in their pedigree and will
know them personally. A good Champion pedigree to me
means that there is more champions in the pedigree that
not. Make sure if the breeders is showing you a pedigree
that it is that puppy's pedigree and not the
grandfathers and the great-great grandmothers. Some
backyard breeders will show you a pedigree of dogs in
the second or third generation to skip newer links in
their pedigree making the puppy seem more then what it
is.
6.What does champion mean to me?
The more champions in the pedigree
generally will keep you from purchasing a dane that
structurally does not look like a dane. Don't be afraid
to see pictures or visit danes that are in the pedigree
or that are related to the puppy you are looking to buy.
7.What is the difference between AKC and UKC?
American Kennel Club is the number one kennel club in
the United States. An AKC championship is harder to
receive then a United Kennel Club Championship by far..
Most top breeders will have a AKC Champion on their dogs
before even attempting to receive a UKC title. Some
backyard breeders will buy a limited registered AKC dog
from a reputable breeder and then switch the dog to UKC
to breed. That is why we will not allow any of our dane
to be registered by UKC. In my opinion if the puppy's
parents are only UKC registered then it's not worth
buying.
8.Why is it important to get more then a two year
contract on my puppy?
Some breeders will only guarantee a puppy for one
year. The first year of the puppy's life is very
important that he/she is fed and cared for properly.
Many times if the puppy is not fed correctly you can
encounter HOD, Pano, etc. These are generally not
covered by a breeders contract because it is the owners
responsibility to make sure the puppy is fed correctly,
But any reputable breeder is going to give you advise on
what food work better on that particular line. Then the
next year you might start to see some genetic faults and
it might take a while for your local vet to figure out
what exactly your dealing with and by that time your
contract is up. Not to mention if a breeder only
guarantees the dane for two year how are you guaranteed
on the hips. It is crucial that your breeder will
guarantee the puppy's hips. You have to wait until the
puppy is 24 months or (2 years) to do a OFA. What
happens if the puppy's birthday fails on a Sunday or you
can't get the dane into the vet until he/she is 2 years
and 3 days old and then you find out he/she has severe
hip dysplasia. Now that breeder's contract is null in
void.
9.What do I need to look for on a contract?
Most Reputable breeders do what the call an OFA Test
on the parents hips to ensure that the parents do not
have hip dysplasia at the time of breeding. They will
have something in their contract that will state when
the dog is 2 years of age that you need to do the OFA
test and if the dog has severe hip dysplasia they will
compensate for the fault in the dog. Make sure that in
the contract that there is something to the fact of the
breeder will cover all genetic faults in the dog. This
means for example if the dog has a genetically deformed
bladder the breeder will compensate you on this dog.
This doesn't mean the breeder will pay the medical bills
but that they will replace the puppy or some kind of
money back is generally the common practice. Make sure
the breeder will take back a neutered or spayed dog this
will also help you avoid bad breeders (if they can't
breed it they don't what it). Make sure all of the
puppy's information is on the contract. If the dogs AKC
number, date of birth, full name, ect.. is missing then
you don't really have a contract. If your purchasing a
pet puppy the common practice with reputable breeders is
to stay on the puppy's papers as owner or co-owner with
the new owner/s. If this dog is only a pet then this
will not have any effect on the buyer, but it will
ensure the breeder that this puppy being sold will never
end up in a puppy mill environment. If your going to
co-own a puppy along with the breeder for breeding or
show purposes, please have every detail made out with a
breeding or show contract. Lack of communication and
written agreements is why most people have a bad
experience with co-ownership when breeding or show is
involved.
10.How do I know the breeder will fulfill my
contract?
This is really simple, the contract is only as good
as the people that sign it. Most contracts will hold as
a signed legal contract in a court on law but lets face
it who really wants to go there? Finding a good breeder
is the same as finding a good buyer. If their is
something that just doesn't fit into the puzzle then
don't buy the dog. If your having doubts about the
breeder upholding their part of the contract then don't
buy the puppy.

It's
a buyer beware market
I felt compelled to ad this after another
puppy mill was shut down today for fraud and animal cruelty.
38 dogs where found in her home at the time of her arrest. The
lady was selling show and companion puppies via internet and
telling people they were AKC registered. But they were listed
with the continental kennel club as most of her breeding stock
was not registered with AKC but by the time the new puppy
owners got the puppy and figured this out it was to late. You
ask why does this affect me? I don't care about registration
on my dane puppy. The puppies got deathly ill and some
even died and if that wasn't bad enough, the people didn't know
who to talk to as the breeder used several different aliases.
This was not just one of her litters this has been over
several years and hundreds of puppies. Don't
get fooled by bad breeders. ( Anyone can make selling a puppy
sound good)
(There are puppy mills
everywhere, including several in Iowa)
WARNING SIGNS TO LOOK
FOR:
Just because they're
website looks good doesn't mean that they are not a
puppy mill.
Most backyard breeders
will not post their danes full registered name on there site. If
you don't see full registered names don't buy the puppy. I
know this doesn't seem like that big of deal for the pet buyer
but it is a big sign.
Are the dogs all in
outside kennels? No
reputable breeder would have danes that are not in their
homes.
Look past the danes in
the pictures and see what else is in the background. Some of
these people will slip up and give you a little look at the
real thing. Pay attention for: hay/straw, dirty dog bowls and
water dishes. The type of kennel or panels used for fencing.
what is on the ground around the danes? If you see anything
that is questionable, Don't buy
the puppy.
A reputable breeder
will not have adults or puppies in old buildings (barns/hog
hunts) No reputable breeder would
leave an adult dane in a building like this, let alone a
puppy.
Look for pictures with
the puppies in straw or wood chips. No
reputable breeder would uses these materials as urine soaks
into them and can give your puppy an infection and/or heat
sores.
Just because they have
testimonials on there sites doesn't mean that they are not a
puppy mill. This is their information that they are giving
you. You are not hearing it from the people that bought the
dane.
Just because they link
health and information to they're site doesn't mean that they
are not a puppy mill. It's just
another scam. How ironic is this,
A local puppy mill here in Iowa links rescue on her website
but not any of the local rescue groups.( because they all know
her and have to place her puppies) Puts tons of health
information on her site but doesn't even do as much as a OFA
on her danes. Think before you buy, Educate yourself before
you buy. Don't forget it's your right to ask questions.
How can I
protect myself from dishonest breeders like this?
Answer: Ask
the right questions and contact your local dane club or the
dane club that is local to that breeder.
1)Ask to see a copy of
the sire and dams OFA and thyroid testing. (This is your right)
If they can not provide you with this, do not buy the puppy.
2) Ask for dane
related references. ( Clubs/Local Rescues/other reputable
breeders) If they can not provide you with this, do not buy the
puppy.
3) Contact the local
dane club/rescue about the breeder. Here in Iowa: www.gdcdm.org
If you can't find the local
dane club/rescue in that state, e-mail me and I'll look it up
for you.
4)Never buy out of the newpaper
What
do those newspaper ads really mean?
5) Ask other local
breeders about one another. I have no problem helping people
find a forever puppy from another reputable breed. If the
breeder refers to other breeders as jealous, snobby, poor
sport or refers to placing puppies as a competition or money thing: RUN DON'T
WALK. There
are to many reputable breeders out there. TAKE YOUR TIME AND
DON"T BE IN A HURRY. The right breeder and the right
puppy is waiting for you.
The best
thing you can to is educate yourself
Other links for more information to avoid puppymills /
backyard breeders:
http://www.gdcdm.org/litterbox.htm
courtesy of: Great Dane Club of Des Moines
http://www.heartlandgdr.org/page12.htm
courtesy of: Heartland Great Dane rescue
http://www.daneoutreach.org/Files/Tips_for_choosing.pdf
courtesy of: Dane outreach
Midwest Great Dane Clubs and Rescues links:
(Feel free to contact any great dane club, They are
there to help educate.)
www.gdcdm.org
Great Dane club of Des Moines
http://home.comcast.net/~maryann.land/index.htm
Heart of Minnesota Great
Danes Club
http://geocities.com/gdcgkc/index.htm
Great Dane club of
Kansas City
http://www.geocities.com/illiniweb2003/
Illini Great Danes Club
Other helpful dane links:
www.ginnie.com
Ginnie Saunders
www.greatdanelady.com
Linda Arndt
www.doglogic.com
www.gdhfa.org
Great Dane Health Foundation of
America, Inc
www.gdca.org/healthandwelfare.htm
Great Dane Club Of America- Health and Welfare
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